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Big feet rob Gate Opener
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Personal Allowance (per person or per house?)
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Hello
I am fairly new to difflock but have been offroading for about 4 years, I have just started running my 300tdi disco on filtered veg oil on a 50/50 mix but am planning on buying a home bio proccessor to make it the proper stuff and not have to run on a mix of oil and diesel.
Well my question is does the 2500 litres per year of personal use apply per person or per house.
My father and brother both run diesel car/van, can they too have 2500 litres each or does it come out of my allowance as im making it at my house......
Any advice much appreciated
Rob
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:) Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:
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I don't know, but suspect nobody actually thought of that when the rule was introduced.
I suggest it would be untenable for it to be anything other than "per person" because otherwise you could find yourself responsible for your brothers oil consumption and he has no obligation to tell you what he is doing. English law is generally based upon individual responsibility, the only time I can think of an exception to this is with a legal partner. You should always keep a record of you SVO usage in case you are called to demonstrate you are within the limit - I certainly do.
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Nathaniel Difflock Royalty
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject:
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2500l a year rule is Per Address.
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Biodiesel-Bev Off-Road Guru
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Odometer: 1080 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:
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It's per address AND per biodiesel production set-up.
This is to stop people then moving the processing unit to another address and producing another 2,500 litres and claiming the road fuel duty exemption, HMRC have said you can't do this, it's classed as Disaggregation.
Mad, I know, but that's what they've said.
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:) Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject:
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So this has got me thinking about avoidance scheme (note "avoidance" which is legal, "evasion" is the illegal activity).
As far as I am aware you can divide owned land up as much as you like - a technique used by campaigners to stop development. They would buy a ransom strip of land and legally divide it into thousands pieces each owned by a separate person. This made it almost impossible to trace and legally serve compulsory purchase notice on each person, except in the most critical circumstances. I don't know if the government has enacted a law to stop this now?
Using a similar technique maybe you could draw up and sign a document which stated that your garden was divided into three parts, to be called A, B and C where area A was wholly and singly owned by "brother", area B owned by "father" and area C owned by "self". These would then be classified as a separately owned place. You then produce your bio-diesel on your bit (which might just so happen to include a shed or similar) and it wouldn't interfere with your neighbours who just so happen to be your father and brother.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:
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biodiesel-queen-Bev wrote: | It's per address AND per biodiesel production set-up.
This is to stop people then moving the processing unit to another address and producing another 2,500 litres and claiming the road fuel duty exemption, HMRC have said you can't do this, it's classed as Disaggregation.
Mad, I know, but that's what they've said. |
Or, to stop me using a mates premises and set-up to make my own bio?
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Biodiesel-Bev Off-Road Guru
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject:
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X-Rhino wrote: | biodiesel-queen-Bev wrote: | It's per address AND per biodiesel production set-up.
This is to stop people then moving the processing unit to another address and producing another 2,500 litres and claiming the road fuel duty exemption, HMRC have said you can't do this, it's classed as Disaggregation.
Mad, I know, but that's what they've said. |
Or, to stop me using a mates premises and set-up to make my own bio? |
Simple answer....Yes. 2, 3 or 4 people using the same premises and set-up don't each get the 2,500 litre allowance.
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Nathaniel Difflock Royalty
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject:
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X-Rhino wrote: | biodiesel-queen-Bev wrote: | It's per address AND per biodiesel production set-up.
This is to stop people then moving the processing unit to another address and producing another 2,500 litres and claiming the road fuel duty exemption, HMRC have said you can't do this, it's classed as Disaggregation.
Mad, I know, but that's what they've said. |
Or, to stop me using a mates premises and set-up to make my own bio? |
Yes, and its also to stop you building a processor on a trailer and taking it to your mates to make his bio.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject:
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******!!!!.... I'll have to build my own then.
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Big feet rob Gate Opener
Joined: 23 May 2008 Odometer: 26 Location: Portsmouth
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: personal allowance
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OK
Thanks for all the replies, so it seems that we will have to Divide the allowance between us.
With that said is there actually enforcement in place and people checking this allowance use, I imagine at the moment it is very hard to prove how much you have produced and there for if we keep it nice and low key then HMRC need never know.......
And if Mr police man ever causes a stir then some paper work could be made to show how much has been made.
I don't want to break the law simply bend it in my favour with the ever rising cost of motoring!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:38 am Post subject:
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Remember this is a public forum Rob, be careful about what you put in your posts.
You never know who's reading them.
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Big feet rob Gate Opener
Joined: 23 May 2008 Odometer: 26 Location: Portsmouth
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:27 am Post subject:
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Thanks Rhino
I see your point, whoops..... wasn't thinking
Still 2500 liters a year is alot of fuel, some bio websites say that you can run 2 cars a year happily on that amount so we will just have to share.
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