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Nightbar Difflock Royalty
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: Removal of the duty differential on biofuels by 2010
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As a self confessed numpty in this area...
...what exactly does that statement from the Budget mean.
(as someone thinking about biofuels or a V8/LPG conversion over the next few years)
__________________________________ The ex-Difflock Ambassador to Naples, Sir Nightbar DCJC DFS and 2 bars.
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Biodiesel-Bev Off-Road Guru
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Odometer: 1080 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:
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At the moment the fuel duty that has to be paid to HMRC on every litre of fuel is 20p per litre less than normal diesel i.e.
Normal diesel fuel duty per litre is 50.35p
Biodiesel fuel duty per litre is 30.35p.
In 2010, that 20p reduction will go, and biofuels will pay the same rate of fuel duty as normal fuel.
It will probably mark the death knoll for many biodiesel producers.
For a government that is always going on about green issues and reducing our co2 emissions etc, they don't offer any incentives at all. They are just thieves, plain and simple, thieves.
__________________________________ Greenworld Biodiesel Ltd, Huddersfield.
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Nightbar Difflock Royalty
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject:
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Thanks BQ - much as I suspected.
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gavin. Articulating
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Odometer: 596 Location: Helston, Cornwall
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject:
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Do we know if this will alter the 2,500 litre threshold most home producers work to?
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Biodiesel-Bev Off-Road Guru
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Odometer: 1080 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject:
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Hi Gavin,
I haven't heard anything to suggest that they will be getting rid of the 2500 litre duty free. This was brought in to make life easier for the HMRC, removing it and making small home producers pay duty again would be a nightmare for HMRC.
There is supposed to be some sort of update from HMRC on biofuels and duty in April 2008, i will post any updates from them to assist.
Bev
__________________________________ Greenworld Biodiesel Ltd, Huddersfield.
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gavin. Articulating
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject:
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Hi Bev,
It looks like you need your finger on the pulse in your line of work, keep us updated please!
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kyona Articulating
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Odometer: 830 Location: Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:51 am Post subject:
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Well I've written to my MP on the matter, not that it will make a damn bit of difference but at least I've vented my frustrations.
Quote: | Dear Linda Riordan,
I am writing in disgust of the planned removal of duty differential on bio fuels by 2010. This government time and time again has punished those who do not conform to their standards of belief of green living by making them pay more money than is necessary. A lot of people including myself have moved onto fuels such as bio diesel which creates significantly less pollution and is cheaper than the standard diesel on sale at the forecourts. This should be viewed as a good thing and the price should be kept low as to encourage the usage of this fuel, however now it seems the government has noticed a large increase in the use of this fuel and seemingly wants a large slice of the profits made from this fuel. How can this government claim to want to improve environmental issues whilst at the same time charging more money for those who are trying to change. This is pure and simple greed coming from a government that is nothing more than a glorified group of thieves trying to squeeze every penny possible from the tax payer. I would appreciate a response from you on this matter if possible please.
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:) Mud Obsessed
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Odometer: 4337 Location: Norfolk
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject:
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I'll put the counter argument then reach for my tin hat ...
The original duty advantage for bio-fuel producers was to enable them to compete on an equal footing with fossil fuel and therefore be able to attract 'normal' people as customers (as opposed to greenies who will pay more no matter what).
The current high price of fossil oil means that bio-fuel producers now have an advantage in lower overall costs. Making the duty the same for both bio and fossil fuel will only bring them back to an equal footing - but who knows what will happen to the energy market? By 2010 oil might be $200 a barrel, in which case bio-fuel will still have an advantage. But then farmers will be getting very much richer by increasing oil crop prices, that is the way the capitalist free market works.
Since I've got my tin hat on, it probably is worth pointing out that bio-diesel still has environmental costs. It isn't CO2 emission free, because of the agricultural and processing costs. There is also the big problem of food growing farm land being diverted into fuel production resulting in higher food prices and less food availability.
In the end, we will have to use less oil; and the way to do that in a market based world economy is by increasing the price - sorry but we as a society agreed to live this way.
I'm waiting to see how 'they' will charge electric road vehicles, currently exempt.
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treeboa Articulating
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | I'm waiting to see how 'they' will charge electric road vehicles, currently exempt. |
as soon as there are enough on the road to make it worth while, then you will see the government wheel out their pirate policy
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nicks90 Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:05 am Post subject:
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wrote: | Since I've got my tin hat on, it probably is worth pointing out that bio-diesel still has environmental costs. It isn't CO2 emission free, because of the agricultural and processing costs. There is also the big problem of food growing farm land being diverted into fuel production resulting in higher food prices and less food availability.
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on the news last week, it was saying almost a 1/3rd of all grain produced in the USA will be used toward ethanol production - reducing the amount of grain available for worldwide food aid.
you also have farmers in developing countries getting more money for exporting palm oil to biodiesel producers, than growing food crops for their own country.
This is leading to massive food crop shortages in many far eastern countries - that traditionally have huge food surplusses due to excellent farmland.
the trend towards using biodiesel and ethanol in cars is actually going to starve millions of people, who would otherwise have plenty of food.........
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YotaDave Articulating
Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Odometer: 958 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:
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You have to remember difference with most Bio Deisel and WVO compared to other bio fuels like ethanol is that it doesnt take up and extra farm land or resources because it has already been used for food use and we are re-using a waste product the would otherwise go to landfill or be recycled in other ways.
So all that stuff about it crating CO2 and using farm land that would ither wise be used for food crop is null and void with WVO and Bio diesel made from WVO bacaus all that CO2 and farming was originaly so you can get your chinese dinner.
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16 RN 49 Off-Road Guru
Joined: 26 May 2006 Odometer: 1059 Location: North Notts
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:
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I'm with BigDave.
I now use 100% BioDiesel made from 100% recycled WVO. WVO that would normally go straight into a land fill site. Whether the refining process is CO2 free or the production of the chemicals used in the process is CO2 free, I couldn't say. I feel happier, though, that I don't use BioDiesel made from fresh crops (such as the BioDiesel that makes up 5% of normal Diesel).
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