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EX-INF Just got MTs
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: Registering a Mog in the UK ?
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Wotca Gents,
What are your 404s on the road as in the Uk ,
Camper ? ,,,trackter ?? ,,,,recovery ??? historic ??
I fancy a 404 direct from Holland but wondered what you run them as ?
G wagons I have done and they end up as a car no problem .
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
1961 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:
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I did a fair amount of looking into it and wrote it up here;
Registering a 404.
depends how legit you want to be - and whether you want insurance to pay out.
jim
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EX-INF Just got MTs
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:53 am Post subject:
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Many thanks Shaggy ,
camper conversion is an other option with radio bodied modals i suppose ?.
any one had one of eBay in Germany yet ? seem a good buy ?
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chris_moulding Gate Opener
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Odometer: 42 Location: Bolton, Lancs
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:02 am Post subject:
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One point to consider is that the regs have recently changed. You can only operate (i.e. drive) a maximum of 100 km from your base (where the vehicle is registered) if you are taxed as agricultural or recovery.
There is a taxation class called Private HGV for vehicles that weigh more that 3500 kg that are only used for non-commercial use. The vehicle needs to pass the LGV MOT test and you may need to pass the HGV driving test if your licence doesn't let you drive vehicles up to 7500 kg. You are exempt from tachographs as well at present but thats likely to change.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:34 am Post subject:
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chris_moulding wrote: | One point to consider is that the regs have recently changed. You can only operate (i.e. drive) a maximum of 100 km from your base (where the vehicle is registered) if you are taxed as agricultural or recovery.
There is a taxation class called Private HGV for vehicles that weigh more that 3500 kg that are only used for non-commercial use. The vehicle needs to pass the LGV MOT test and you may need to pass the HGV driving test if your licence doesn't let you drive vehicles up to 7500 kg. You are exempt from tachographs as well at present but thats likely to change. |
Now that's interesting. 100km is far enough for me to get to Aberdeen (where I work) and any local building merchants. AND, my measly 6 acres is classed as agricultural land (I have the certificate to prove it) even though we don't run an agricultural business of any sort or keep animals.
Does anyone know what otherrestrictions there are on the use of "agricultural" vehicles?
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isle_of_man Just got MTs
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:
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i believe the figure is much less than what has been quoted (more like 10k) for agricultural use, also there is a speed restriction not that will bother you in the unimog.
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject:
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Chris - did you really mean LGV test? that'd make my life easier (or am I remembering that no LGV place can deal with the wheel size?)
We ran as a recovery truck for a while, the exemptions say (in 2006) a recovery vehicle is basically something made only to lift and drag vehicles that can serve no other purpose.
An agricultural vehicle is something adapted to agriculture _and_ used only for the that purpose.
It's funny they only make the distinction about use for the tractor - with a farm, you might get away with it. It's the "only" bit you might have a problem with.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:26 am Post subject:
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Jim, your's is registered as an HGV isn't it? Do you have an HGV licence then? Does that still need an MOT (assuming it was first used after 1960)?
I downloaded the V112G form from the DVLA - Goods Vehicle Testing - Declaration of Exemption and it's quite clear that BNreakdown vehicles are exempt and apparently without any conditions...? It doesn't have the "designed and used solely for" caveat that most of the other exemptions state.
Another exemption is:
Dual Purpose Vehicles not constructed or adapted to form part of an agricultural vehicle.
Now THAT's interesting, surely a Unimog is the ultimate dual purpose vehicle? Dual purposes could be: LGV, snowplough, recovery vehcile (with a winch). Install a PTO and there's surely no doubt it's dual purpose...?
Cheers,
iain
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shaggy Articulating
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject:
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> your's is registered as an HGV isn't it? Do you have an HGV licence then?
I passed my test before 1996 so I have 7.5 tonner for free. I also have a bike licence which pads it out yet further.
>Does that still need an MOT (assuming it was first used after 1960)?
Yeah, it was made on Jan 19th, 1961! But another subtlety of the MOT regs is that if you go without a test on age grounds, you have to travel unladen.
jim
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:38 am Post subject:
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Unladen eh? Hmm, that's dodgy ground. And typically, I bet there's no definition of unladen. Is a vehicle laden when you put your sandwiches in it?
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject:
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There may not be a definition of "unladen", but stick something on the back and they'll soon find a definition of "laden"!
jim
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chris_moulding Gate Opener
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Odometer: 42 Location: Bolton, Lancs
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:
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Yes, it was LGV test.
They are also bringing in testing and tachographs for recovery vehicles and at some point agricultural vehicles. I think the 100 km restriction was for contractors forestry vehicles.
I read all this in a recent copy of Commercial Motor. The trouble is we've just moved house and I can't find the magazine!
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dippyhull Gate Opener
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Odometer: 18 Location: Hull, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject:
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Would be VERY interested to know if Tachos will be needed (now or in the future) for PHGV class <7.5t though - anyone got any links to that sort of thing... ?
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